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And a multitude of dictators are smiling including the man liberals are so fond of accusing conservatives of being.

Extensive gun registration and controls were actually implemented by Weimar Republic leaders in the late 1920s as part of a response to the violent street battles taking place on the streets of Germany between Communist and Nazi thugs, with police often bearing the brunt of the confrontations.

German liberals of the day were hoping that gun registration and controls would restrain the violence going through their urban centers. It became obvious that neither the Nazis nor the Communists registered or turned in their weapons. However, ordinary, law-abiding Germans (including Jews) did register their legally-owned guns…, but they were no threat to public…

As Weimar leaders were implementing gun registration, they stressed how the lists of gun owners and registrants had to remain confidential and needed to be kept away from “radical elements…” Less than a year later, Hitler took control of the national government, and as a result gained possession of the entire national list of gun registrants. The Nazis used the registration lists to identify Jews, Roma and other “enemies” who possessed firearms, so they could be disarmed.

On October 4, 1938, Nazi police arrested Alfred Flatow for the crime of being a Jew in lawful possession of a firearm. Lawful because he had dutifully registered his guns in January 1932, complying with the pre-Hitler anti-firearm decrees of the Weimar Republic.

In 1942, the Nazi government ordered Flatow to be deported. In October he was transported, along with 1,021 other deportees, to the Theresienstadt Concentration Camp. In December, the 73-year old Alfred Flatow died at the camp, of starvation…, basically for the crime of legally owning a firearm.

At the time of its passage, the Weimar gun control law of 1928 allowed police to deny ownership of firearms to any “unreliable” person. The Nazis seized on this language, eventually making unauthorized ownership of guns and other weapons a very serious crime.

On November 10, 1938, the Nazi Interior Department formally decreed that persons defined as Jews under the infamous Nuremberg Laws were prohibited from possessing any types of weapons. They declared that Jews possessing weapons would be subject to 20 year sentences in concentration camps. In the nations and territories invaded and occupied on Hitler’s orders, private gun ownership was punishable by death!

The Nazis also moved to control others who possessed weapons. Despite protests, the government banned all voluntary “shooting clubs” in Germany. These clubs were popular forms of recreation across the nation, and many club leaders opposed the ban and even expressed objections to the Nazi government. As Hitler was rapidly centralizing and broadening his powers, he dissolved all local and independent shooting and sports clubs on May 10, 1933. Two weeks later, he created the Nazi-controlled German Shooting Sport Association which became another mouthpiece for the Nazi government and with war on the horizon, a source of males already trained in marksmanship.

Ironically, it was American technology that helped the Nazis identify armed Jews and other potential adversaries with registered weapons.

The German subsidiary of IBM provided the dictatorship with its new punch card and card-sorting system, allowing for an enormous amount of data (particularly for the 1930s) to be stored in 600 punch hole possibilities per card. This was very used for the “census” reports that Nazis were compiling.

In addition to seeking ordinary information about individuals living in each household, the Nazis added a question in column 22 requiring citizens to provide information on their religious affiliation, Protestants got punch hole #1 marked, Catholics #2 and Jews were identified by punch hole #3. With a simple cross reference with the nation’s gun registration lists, the Nazis easily identified Jews with legally registered firearms.

The rest as they say is history.

Hitler himself said, “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.”

He was also quoted as saying, “To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.”

This mindset was clearly adopted by Chinese Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung when he said, “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

Today, there is a plethora of examples of liberal efforts to require registration of the 100 million legal owners of firearms in the United States. True students of history, may have a sense of déjà vu when reading of the plans the anti-gunners want to implement (and have implemented is some regions).

“If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!” – Sen. Diane Feinstein –

“We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.” – Rahm Emmanuel, senior advisor to Bill Clinton

“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.” Bill Clinton

“I don't believe that in our society that we should have guns.” - Ed Koch

“One thing that I think is clear with young people, and with adults as well, is that we just have to be repetitive about this…We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.” – Eric Holder

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” - Joe Biden

“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)... . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!” - John Chafee

"Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option. " - Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens

“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” – Barack Obama

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true!." "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" - Rep. Charles Schumer

"With a 10,000% tax we could tax them out of existence." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

"The American people must be willing to give up a degree of personal privacy in exchange for safety and security." - Louis Freeh Director of the (now democrat administration weaponized) FBI

"Gun registration is not enough." -U.S. Attorney General, Janet Reno

“I still believe that the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright." - Rep. Cardiss Collins

In 2014, Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda told the press, “We recently started a program where we’re cross referencing all the pistol permit holders with the death records, and we’re sending people out to collect the guns whenever possible so that they don’t end up in the ‘wrong hands’.”

The law under which they have implemented this confiscation scheme says relatives of a deceased pistol owner have 15-days from the owner’s death to legally sell the pistol or get a permit for it. How many people are thinking about getting permits or selling a loved one’s possessions 15-days after their death? There is no doubt this was considered during the crafting of that law and was seen by its creators as a benefit to their scheme to hasten confiscation.

That being said, Nazi Germany was but one lesson in history of the dangers of gun registration/confiscation.

In 1911 in Turkey guns were restricted and a result one and a half million Armenians were unable to defend themselves and were ethnically cleaned by the government.

In 1929 the former Soviet Union established gun control and as a result Stalin’s government killed 40 million Soviets.

In 1935 Communist China established gun control and 50 million political dissidents were arrested and killed.

In 1964 to 1981 Guatemala established gun control and 100,000 were killed.

In 1970 Uganda established gun control and from 1970-1979 300,000 Christians were killed by the dictatorial government.

In 1975-1977 Cambodia gun restriction laws prevented people from defending themselves against the tyrannical government who arrested and killed one million people.

In 1994 Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people and being unable to defend themselves one million were executed.

Conclusion – 70+ million people have died because of “gun control”, yet we still hear the ludicrous argument that if it saves one life, guns should be banned.
 

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A hundred and twelve years ago, in 1907...our great grandparents were first able to buy the rifle pictured. The semi-auto Winchester Model 1907.
This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. It was/ is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine.
About 400,000 semi-automatic rifles were produced before WW2. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles.
The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons..
The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock.
The semi auto, so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isnt new in any way.
The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them.
The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed for the worse in the last 50 years. Family Values, Prayer from Schools, Ten Commandments from court houses, Spanking Kids, Morals, What is socially acceptable, Confusion on Genders, Left Wing Liberalism, Socialism, ect.
Cause the rifle technology in question was here long before this insanity. GOD SAVE THE USA.
 

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The number of actual "accidents, as in unintentional, accidental discharge of a firearm that results in death is less than 500 per year:

To put that "horrifying" number into perspective, 39,443 people died from accidental falls (2019) and 65,773 people died from accidental poisoning (2019). Got that? Dying from falling out numbers all accidental gun deaths by 79:1, and poisoning by 131:1.

The 40k number easthome is spouting is all gun related death in the US, 2/3 of which is suicide. That is not unintentional nor accidental. Suicide is an on purpose, voluntary action, not an accident. The remaining third is homicide, and that is also an on purpose, voluntary action. Of the homicides, the majority are committed with handguns in the hands of urban males aged 16-29, with perpetrator and victim being racially homogeneous like 90% of the time.

Using the 1/3rd of that 40k for homicides, you arrive at ~13k. Round it up to 14k. now calculate that as a percentage against the 140 million gun owners in the US. What you arrive at is 1/100th of a percent of firearm owners in the US will commit a violent crime with a gun, and the other 99.99% (using the FBI/DOJ data here kids) are responsible gun owners.

Now, I don't know about you, but when 99.99% of the guns in America are never used for any sort of violence, and most of the violence is concentrated within a very specific age/geographic population, I'd say that guns themselves are not the issue, and that the very specific age/geographic population is where your concern should lie.
 

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I wonder what the murder rate would be for the USA if Chicago, Detroit, LA, DC, Memphis had rates comparable to the rest of the country.
 

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